1 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:07,670 so we've been talking a lot about earth 2 00:00:11,190 --> 00:00:09,280 observations from the international 3 00:00:13,110 --> 00:00:11,200 space station this week and one 4 00:00:15,350 --> 00:00:13,120 experiment actually about to celebrate a 5 00:00:17,590 --> 00:00:15,360 very exciting anniversary and that is 6 00:00:19,349 --> 00:00:17,600 the high definition earth viewing to 7 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:19,359 learn a little bit more i'm joined today 8 00:00:23,349 --> 00:00:21,520 by carlos fontana one of the principal 9 00:00:25,269 --> 00:00:23,359 investigators co-principal investigators 10 00:00:27,589 --> 00:00:25,279 for the project to learn a little bit 11 00:00:29,669 --> 00:00:27,599 more so carlos first off start me off 12 00:00:31,669 --> 00:00:29,679 where did the idea for hdev come from 13 00:00:33,190 --> 00:00:31,679 and what was the original intent of this 14 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:33,200 payload 15 00:00:38,150 --> 00:00:35,040 a few years ago 16 00:00:40,389 --> 00:00:38,160 the iss technology and science 17 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:40,399 development office 18 00:00:44,389 --> 00:00:42,320 found themselves in a situation where 19 00:00:46,069 --> 00:00:44,399 there was a space available outside the 20 00:00:48,389 --> 00:00:46,079 columbus module 21 00:00:51,029 --> 00:00:48,399 where the payload had been delayed 22 00:00:53,029 --> 00:00:51,039 and the program wanted to utilize that 23 00:00:54,950 --> 00:00:53,039 space so 24 00:00:58,389 --> 00:00:54,960 the science technology 25 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:58,399 or technology office came to me and said 26 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:00,879 what about we put some cameras out there 27 00:01:04,710 --> 00:01:02,719 what would it take to put some cameras 28 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:04,720 so i drew on a little piece of paper 29 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,200 well we need a camera an encoder and 30 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:09,600 then we need a router we can put so many 31 00:01:13,270 --> 00:01:11,760 cameras in the enclosure and drew in a 32 00:01:16,870 --> 00:01:13,280 little piece of paper 33 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:16,880 and my colleagues went on their way 34 00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:19,280 a couple weeks later a few weeks later i 35 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:21,119 get a call you are the principal 36 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:23,520 investigator for this payload we are 37 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:26,720 going to build an enclosure and put it 38 00:01:30,149 --> 00:01:28,400 outside columbus 39 00:01:31,270 --> 00:01:30,159 and the 40 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:31,280 design 41 00:01:37,830 --> 00:01:34,479 build certification and delivery will be 42 00:01:40,870 --> 00:01:37,840 done in a short period of time and we 43 00:01:43,510 --> 00:01:40,880 broke a record nine months from 44 00:01:45,270 --> 00:01:43,520 conception to delivery and so what was 45 00:01:46,789 --> 00:01:45,280 the real purpose i mean it's more than 46 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:46,799 just let's put some cameras on the 47 00:01:50,389 --> 00:01:48,720 station what was kind of the scientific 48 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:50,399 purpose for building this payload and 49 00:01:54,389 --> 00:01:52,560 putting it on the station absolutely as 50 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:54,399 you know the space environment 51 00:02:00,630 --> 00:01:57,360 and the radiation in space is very harsh 52 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:00,640 to electronics so you may observe from 53 00:02:07,670 --> 00:02:03,759 time to time that some of our images 54 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:07,680 have white little dots those are pixels 55 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:10,319 that are missing because of radiation 56 00:02:16,229 --> 00:02:13,040 and the sensors 57 00:02:19,510 --> 00:02:16,239 get damaged because of it so we are 58 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:19,520 studying uh you know we count 59 00:02:26,070 --> 00:02:22,560 missing pixels on the images on the 60 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:26,080 views and specifically on the view on 61 00:02:30,070 --> 00:02:27,680 the nader view 62 00:02:32,150 --> 00:02:30,080 we have seen a couple of pixels missing 63 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,160 but we're very surprised because we 64 00:02:38,229 --> 00:02:35,040 thought it would be much more so the 65 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:38,239 enclosure where the cameras are are we 66 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:41,920 think are partially uh protecting uh 67 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:44,480 radiation from hitting these sensors 68 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:47,280 okay and so and it wasn't just nasa 69 00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:48,959 people building this payload you guys 70 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:51,120 also got students involved which is 71 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:53,200 always very fascinating when you're a 72 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:54,560 student to say you know my i built 73 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:56,160 something that went into the space tell 74 00:03:00,869 --> 00:02:57,840 us about how you got students involved 75 00:03:02,149 --> 00:03:00,879 well there is a program called hunch 76 00:03:05,589 --> 00:03:02,159 high school 77 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:05,599 students united with nasa 78 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:08,239 for creation of hardware i believe it 79 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:10,640 stands for and these students 80 00:03:16,149 --> 00:03:13,200 participated with our team and they 81 00:03:18,630 --> 00:03:16,159 built some of the brackets that actually 82 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:18,640 hold the cameras in place and hold the 83 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:21,840 encoder so they built part of the little 84 00:03:28,390 --> 00:03:25,840 brackets structural pieces that hold the 85 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:28,400 payload you can see here the payload on 86 00:03:32,309 --> 00:03:30,720 the right there is an enclosure that's 87 00:03:33,910 --> 00:03:32,319 the finished payload in those little 88 00:03:37,110 --> 00:03:33,920 windows that you see the cameras are 89 00:03:39,190 --> 00:03:37,120 behind and those cameras partially are 90 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:39,200 held by these brackets that the hunch 91 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:42,159 folks built very cool and so this video 92 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:44,000 so april 30th marks the two-year 93 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:46,239 anniversary of yes 94 00:03:50,710 --> 00:03:49,120 tomorrow so this has been streaming live 95 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:50,720 the whole time and students were even 96 00:03:54,550 --> 00:03:52,480 involved with the streaming of this 97 00:03:56,550 --> 00:03:54,560 video too so first off tell people where 98 00:03:58,869 --> 00:03:56,560 they can go watch this right now and 99 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:58,879 again how are students involved in this 100 00:04:02,509 --> 00:03:59,680 well 101 00:04:06,309 --> 00:04:02,519 you can watch this around the clock at 102 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:06,319 http colon forward slash forward slash 103 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:12,830 slash 104 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:16,400 hdf you go to that website and you not 105 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:19,519 only see the downlink but you see the 106 00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:22,079 track of the station going over the 107 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:24,639 earth so you can tell when the station 108 00:04:31,670 --> 00:04:28,080 is at night time and unfortunately when 109 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:31,680 it's night you cannot see much with hdf 110 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:32,639 but then 111 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:33,840 as you see 112 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:36,720 the station come into the daylight uh 113 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:38,560 there is the picture yes 114 00:04:42,550 --> 00:04:41,600 and so you can watch this around the 115 00:04:44,629 --> 00:04:42,560 clock 116 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:44,639 and 117 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:47,040 we have sometimes we've had 118 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:49,919 to get take the payload off the air for 119 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:52,639 several reasons and we get calls you 120 00:04:56,390 --> 00:04:54,320 know there are 121 00:04:59,350 --> 00:04:56,400 folks in europe folks all over the world 122 00:05:02,070 --> 00:04:59,360 and they say where is my h death 123 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:02,080 now there's other ustream 124 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:06,160 also streams hdf and you stream it makes 125 00:05:11,830 --> 00:05:09,600 hdf available to many people out there 126 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:11,840 there is an outfit that builds little 127 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:14,720 boxes that tell you when this station is 128 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:17,280 coming above you and shows you the hdf 129 00:05:22,390 --> 00:05:19,680 images so there's several 130 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:22,400 companies that have used 131 00:05:29,749 --> 00:05:27,520 hdf as well as museums schools and uh 132 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:29,759 universities so how is how are school 133 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:32,320 how have schools been using hdev with 134 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:33,360 students 135 00:05:38,550 --> 00:05:36,320 it's a very interesting we got a call 136 00:05:39,749 --> 00:05:38,560 from our partners in europe and germany 137 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:39,759 in particular 138 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:41,600 and they were very interested in 139 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:43,440 development developing 140 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:44,960 materials 141 00:05:50,070 --> 00:05:47,520 curricula for the students 142 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:50,080 in their geography lessons and what 143 00:05:57,909 --> 00:05:53,919 better than using live views from earth 144 00:06:00,629 --> 00:05:57,919 and identify those land masses now hdf 145 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:00,639 has a limited capability but you can 146 00:06:06,070 --> 00:06:03,520 control certain functions you can switch 147 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:06,080 cameras the forward viewing camera the 148 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:08,880 native viewing camera the aft cameras 149 00:06:12,550 --> 00:06:09,840 through 150 00:06:15,110 --> 00:06:12,560 just a workstation that's connected 151 00:06:17,430 --> 00:06:15,120 through our systems and so you can 152 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:17,440 command the cameras so we 153 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:20,560 partnered with a university of bonn in 154 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:21,600 germany 155 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:24,400 and we schedule their participation 156 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:26,400 where they can command the camera so the 157 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:28,160 students comment the camera switch 158 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:30,720 cameras and see the results as they're 159 00:06:34,309 --> 00:06:32,880 flying over certain 160 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,319 parts of the world that they're 161 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:36,720 interested in okay well so we're about 162 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:38,880 to hit the two-year mark how 163 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:41,120 how has it been going you you mentioned 164 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:42,960 you've only seen a couple of pixels had 165 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:45,360 the cameras held up as well as you 166 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:48,000 thought are they much exceeding 167 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:49,520 exceeding 168 00:06:54,390 --> 00:06:52,160 every expectation now radiation 169 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:54,400 sometimes affects electronics and we 170 00:06:59,430 --> 00:06:57,280 have encoders we have switchers and we 171 00:07:02,710 --> 00:06:59,440 have had a few instances where all of a 172 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:02,720 sudden the system locks up we have not 173 00:07:07,430 --> 00:07:04,960 only seen that on the external payload 174 00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:07,440 but also inside the vehicle with our 175 00:07:09,909 --> 00:07:08,880 television system 176 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:09,919 so 177 00:07:12,150 --> 00:07:10,800 we 178 00:07:13,990 --> 00:07:12,160 rigorously 179 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:14,000 studied what happened 180 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:16,560 component by component analyze the the 181 00:07:21,189 --> 00:07:19,360 telemetry and it was just a latch what 182 00:07:23,670 --> 00:07:21,199 you call a latch up 183 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:23,680 and um so 184 00:07:28,150 --> 00:07:25,280 all we did is what you do with your 185 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:28,160 computer when it freezes up we 186 00:07:34,390 --> 00:07:31,440 cycled it rebooted it in some cases 187 00:07:36,309 --> 00:07:34,400 powered it down powered back up bingo 188 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:36,319 there it is sometimes the simple stuff 189 00:07:41,830 --> 00:07:39,680 works absolutely absolutely so what's 190 00:07:43,189 --> 00:07:41,840 what's next for hdev you know it's been 191 00:07:44,869 --> 00:07:43,199 two years how long do you think the 192 00:07:47,029 --> 00:07:44,879 experiment's going to go and you know 193 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:47,039 what what's maybe the next step is there 194 00:07:51,990 --> 00:07:49,680 going to be an hdev2 well 195 00:07:54,710 --> 00:07:52,000 as i said before the reason why we're on 196 00:07:57,830 --> 00:07:54,720 board is because a payload was late 197 00:08:03,430 --> 00:07:57,840 so that payload will be taken into space 198 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:03,440 now with spacex 13. that is sometime in 199 00:08:09,430 --> 00:08:05,120 2017 200 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:09,440 and when this payload arrives our hdf 201 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:11,680 will be taken robotically off the 202 00:08:15,589 --> 00:08:13,360 columbus module 203 00:08:16,629 --> 00:08:15,599 and the new payload will be placed where 204 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:16,639 we were 205 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:19,280 and they bring it down so i'm looking at 206 00:08:24,150 --> 00:08:20,639 the fall 207 00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:24,160 of 2017 year and a half from from now 208 00:08:28,309 --> 00:08:25,280 more or less 209 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:28,319 and we expect hdf to continue working 210 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:31,440 the way it has been for two years now 211 00:08:36,389 --> 00:08:32,560 when 212 00:08:39,269 --> 00:08:36,399 we bring down hdf or take it off station 213 00:08:40,389 --> 00:08:39,279 we have been looking at the 214 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:40,399 any 215 00:08:45,190 --> 00:08:42,399 places where we can 216 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:45,200 attach a new payload build a new payload 217 00:08:49,990 --> 00:08:47,680 however there aren't very many places we 218 00:08:52,150 --> 00:08:50,000 need data we need power we need certain 219 00:08:54,470 --> 00:08:52,160 requirements so i'm thinking that rather 220 00:08:56,790 --> 00:08:54,480 than replacing their hardware we may 221 00:08:59,670 --> 00:08:56,800 just replace the function because we're 222 00:09:02,310 --> 00:08:59,680 putting new high-definition cameras so 223 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:02,320 we may just leverage the function of 224 00:09:07,829 --> 00:09:05,519 those cameras and train them to the 225 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:07,839 earth when they're not being used and 226 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:11,360 have that as a substitute or future hdf 227 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:13,920 we're working that plan it's not a done 228 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:17,200 deal but that would make sense okay well 229 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:19,680 again the high definition earth viewing 230 00:09:22,870 --> 00:09:21,440 cameras marking their two-year 231 00:09:24,470 --> 00:09:22,880 anniversary now on board the 232 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:24,480 international space station been 233 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:26,240 providing some spectacular views and 234 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:28,000 they will be for only another year and a 235 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:29,120 half so if you haven't been checking 236 00:09:33,110 --> 00:09:31,040 them out make sure you go do that right 237 00:09:34,630 --> 00:09:33,120 now carlos thanks again so much for 238 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:34,640 joining me always a pleasure to talk to 239 00:09:38,630 --> 00:09:36,480 you here in mission control